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Sunday, April 08, 2007 cheating?After a race in Sweden this weekend, Suzanne wrote:Also I'm furious that cheating is accepted, especially even in at the elite level of orienteering....interrupted my course and my focus to ask me where the control was. It makes me so angry. How can we take ourselves seriously as a sport when nobody is even surprised that a D21L, the most elite course offered, runner would ask where she is? And where is her sense of pride? Part of the culture shock for an American orienteer in Sweden is how often you get asked where your control is or where you are. That almost never happens here. I suppose a Swedish orienteer in the U.S. might have the same shock - nobody ever talks or helps someone out at a race in the U.S. If you asked for help, a lot of orienteers in the U.S. would ignore you or explain that they won't help. Back to okansas.blogspot.com. posted by Michael | 6:27 PM
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"a lot of orienteers in the U.S. would ignore you or explain that they won't help"
what would some US elite orienteer do if some 12 years old girl cries in the middle of the forest, asking if he/she could show her where they actually are? Interesting topic..
I feel like each person would have a different opinion on this topic. I did my fair portion of asking when I just started O-ing, and no one told me that I was cheating. Of course I was selective and didn’t bother folks who were blasting by me. Depending on importance of the race I would sometimes show people were they are at, and sometimes I would say am sorry I can’t. However I always help young folks because I once was just as clueless as they are.
Helping little kids is not the same as helping an adult who is obviously dressed as a competitor. Most Americans would stop to help a crying kid (although there is a story about one mean guy who wouldn't give any help until the kid tore up his punchcard). But I'm among those who was astounded by what goes on in Europe. My first big meet in Europe was the Swiss 6-Day in 1991, and I couldn't believe it when a guy actually tried to take my map at a control to see where he was. I had heard stories about that, and it actually happened to me. I held on tight, and just kept running.
Asking is really a problem at least here in Finland. I know occasions when one of the members of our national team has asked where she was. My sister didn't tell her...
And that's the way it should be. If an adult competitive orienteerer asks you where she/he is, don't tell her/him. But if it's child who clearly is in trouble, help her/him.
A Swedish orienteer having lived 2 years in the US, I believe this is more of an imagined difference than a real one. At least I have never noticed any general difference in the asking-for-help frequency between Europe and the US.
so what if elite runners ask for help? making a drama out of it is one of the funniest things a have heard from orienteer. Lets take our sport a bit lighthearted. Luckily its small and poor and therefore so much more fun. But its no fairy tale, we all can find cracks now and then in our hardboiled belief in fairness.
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