Occassional thoughts about orienteering
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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 How fast is fast?Some discussion over on Attackpoint about how fast top orienteers can run inspired me to look up some 3000 meter running times. Here are a bunch of 3000 meter times from very good orienteers:Jan Fjaerestad 7.57.06 Truls Nygaard 7.59.60 Oyvin Thon 8.23.8 Jon Tvedt 8.24.42 Rolf Vestre 8.26.60 Tore Sagvolden 8.30.33 Oystein Kvaal Osterbo 8.31 Havard Tveite 8.32.25 Harald Thon 8.32.4 Audun Weltzein 8.44 Petr Losman 8.47 Oystein Kvaal Osterbo 8.49 Emil Windstedt 8.50 Anders Holmberg 8.51 Mats Haldin 8.52 Lars Skjeset 8.54 Hakan Eriksson 8.55 Mats Troeng 8.56 Audun Weltzein 8.57 Mattias Millinger 8.58 Lars Skjeset 9.00 Jonn Are Myhren 9.25 Ingunn Weltzein 9.39 Birte Riddervold 10.32 Birte Riddervold 10.52 Most of the runners on the list are Norwegian men. I'm not sure why, but it was relatively easy to find results for Norwegian men. Some runners have more than one result. That's because they ran more than one race. I think the results are a real mix of personal bests and whatever time was easy to find. Hakan Eriksson, for example, has probably run a lot faster than 8.55. But, when I did a few google searches, 8.55 was the time I found. Probably Oyvin Thon ran slower than 8.24, but the time I found for him was 8.24. The question that came up on Attackpoint was something like "how fast is fast?" The list I've put together gives you a decent idea. I'd say the answer to the question, for men, is "under 9 minutes." For women, the list doesn't give you enough to answer the question. A better question I think a better question is, "how slow is fast?" By that I mean, how slow can a world class orienteer run. If you could answer both questions - how fast and how slow - you'd have a good idea of the range of running speed among world class orienteers. Answering the second question - how slow - is going to be tougher. Largely because you'd expect the world class orienteers who run slowly are a lot less likely to show up in 3000 meter race results. That's enough writing for now. If anyone reading this knows of other times (fast or slow), feel free to use the comment function and post them. posted by Michael | 7:51 PM 
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Nice list. The first ever formal training I did was when I was 11 years old living in Norway. I got a knock on my door on a Saturday afternoon in the winter and asked to join this 13 year old that was an orienteer that lived 50m away down the block. We did hill intervals on skis. His name? Truls Nygaard - winner of the 1986 World Cup in France. A great inspiration for me as a kid so your list brought back some great memories of training with Truls when I saw his name (I wish I was that fast).
Jan Fjærestad 7.57.06
Truls Nygaard 7.59.60 Pål Corneliussen 8.00.18 Oddmund Roalkvam 8.00.5 Yngvar Christiansen 8.01.78 Terje Næss 8.10.12 Øivind Hylleseth 8.15.33 Øyvind Thon 8.23.8 Dagfinn Olsen 8.24,2 Jon Tvedt 8.24.42 Rolf Vestre 8.26.60 Jørn Therkelsen 8.26.6 Morten Hoffmann 8.28.0 Tore Sagvolden 8.30.33 Arild Aasheim 8.31.04 Håvard Tveite 8.32.25 Harald Thon 8.32.4 Viggo Aaberg 8.32.7 Svein Jacobsen 8.35.0 Lars Ølstad 8.37.04 Lars Drage 8.38.4 Anders Eide 8.39.01 Gjermund Hanssen 8.39.30 source: "HISTORY OF RUNNING O-LØPERNES BANETIDER, OPPDATERT PR. 23.6.05" at http://home.online.no/~hanswerp/index.htm # posted by
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The Norwegian fed. has stipulated the following target values for WOC runners:
Men 3000 m < 8:45 (i.e. VO2 max > 80 ml/min/kg) Women 3000 m < 10:15 (i.e. VO2 max > 70 ml/kg/min) And for JWOC runners: Men 3000 m < 9:30 (VO2 max > 75 ml/min/kg) Women 3000 m < 10:45 (VO2 max > 60 ml/kg/min) cf. http://orientering.no/trening/utviklingstrapp/innhold.htm (in Norwegian) # posted by
: 10:46 AM
For what it's worth, around the time when I narrowly missed a WOC final (1995) I was doing 9.30 for 3000, 16.31 for 5000 and 34.01 for 10k. Can't imagine too many slower than that have made a final in modern times, but if any have it would be interesting to know about them.
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What has Carsten Jörgensen done? For a sub-28min 10km man he must almost certainly take the cake...?
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